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LittleOleLady asks a few questions

posted in Religion by themaiden |

I have a few answers.

Noting a recent survey which reports that “91 percent of American adults surveyed believe in God”, LittleOleLady asks, among other things:

WHY are we seeing such moral decay in this nation?

The short answer is that belief in God has precious little to do with morality, per se, despite myths to the contrary. Dig around in history a little and it isn’t hard to see why I say so. Humans have never been especially moral, no matter who they were or what God happened to be fashionable at the time. We’ve always been a vicious violent lot. We’ve always had thieves, liars, and psychopaths. We’ve always had those favorite scapegoats for moral decay; homosexuals, prostitutes and abortion or outright infanticide.

At times, a belief in God may have attenuated some vicious behavior or another. At other times, belief in God has done just the opposite, as when ‘God’ orders a holy war against infidels or heretics, or just commands his people to kidnap, rape, and pillage the lands occupied by the heathens, as repeated so often in the Old Testament. The point being that belief in God doesn’t make people ‘good’ in any consistent way.

What a belief in God can do, and has done throughout history, is help form a solidarity among members of a community providing a roughly unified ideology and by serving as a kind of club to bash dissenters into line with that ideology. This is no doubt adaptive in many circumstances, but it has very little to do with any abstract morality. It has to do with culturally embedded biases– learned from experience, not from God– and peer pressure. Belief in God makes people lean in the same general direction. It doesn’t make them lean in the ‘moral’ direction.

Unfortunately, as adaptive as religion may have been, and may still be in some places, it is also based in some very outmoded intellectual technology– folklore, folk knowledge, creative guesswork. Like stone tools and the chariot, religion needs to be replaced by something more powerful and more reliable.

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There are currently 9 responses to “LittleOleLady asks a few questions”

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  1. 1 On April 2nd, 2007, JR said:

    God… I was hoping LOL was being sarcastic, but no, she’s quite serious, and apparently somewhat confused. She writes seven questions total I see. Simple questions to simple answers?
    1… what moral decline?
    2… free will
    3… free will
    4… sinning is more fun
    5…a)congress shall make no law…
    …b)God said to pray alone and in private.
    …c)I think Muslims would disagree with that conclusion
    6…ask the Republican party
    7…who died and made LOL regulator of what constitutes basic morality?

  2. 2 On April 2nd, 2007, Bornagain A. Theist said:

    Yes, you are right. There have always been violent, ruthless, undeserving - well, just plain sorry-ass people. My personal belief is that there is a correlation between the number of those sorts of folks and the pervasiveness of religion in the world. I believe that religion creates evil. Every Christian is not evil, but the Christian Bible condones evil, so some are. Every Muslim is not evil, but the Koran condones evil, so some are. On it goes - they take up their position because it is allowed by their “God”. How many fewer “witches” would have been burned had their been no heresy’s to condemn? How many Americans who lost their lives during 9/11 would be alive today if there were no infidels to destroy?

  3. 3 On April 2nd, 2007, themaiden said:

    JR,

    I’d actually intended to pick on #2 a little bit.

    “Thievery, murder, child abuse” — all OK if God orders it. Read the OT. “Promiscuity” is OK if you are banging a concubine– that is, a slave, probably kidnapped, kept for sex. And “abortion” is hunky-dory too if induced by feeding the pregnant woman dirt from the temple floor, while a priest chants magic.

  4. 4 On April 2nd, 2007, themaiden said:

    Bornagain A. Theist,

    I don’t really think that religion creates evil. I do think that it promotes/perpetuates some very sloppy thinking which leads to a lot of evil.

  5. 5 On April 3rd, 2007, Chris Bradley said:

    I agree that religion doesn’t create evil, and I agree it creates sloppy thinking that promotes evil.

    I also think that it is a type of constipation of knowledge. It’s one of the few areas in human existence where ancient knowledge is considered better than modern knowledge. It’s arrested development. What was written by Iron Age semi-barbarians 2000+ years ago is considered more important, relevant and in all ways better than the totality of knowledge accumulated since then. Looking to, say, the Bible for knowledge is about as sensible as going to a physician trained in Iron Age techniques. Looking back in that way violates one of the very tenets of modern epistemology — that the accumulation of knowledge produces superior knowledge.

  6. 6 On April 3rd, 2007, themaiden said:

    Agreed, Chris. Dogmatically held religion is a kind of constipation of knowledge.

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