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Damned Fools! Those Atheists.

posted in Religion by themaiden |

Yesterday my girlfriend asked me if she’d left her glasses at home. I looked around some, and I said “No, I don’t think you did.” A friend asked me what I think of string theory and I said that I do not think it will pan out, ultimately. I have answered similar questions in similar ways probably thousands of times. Apparently I am an irrational fool for it, as we’ll get to in just a moment.

A reader, who comments here as LakeJen, contacted me via email to share a wonderful video– “Atheism - The Religion of Fools”.

The video is the work of Dr. James Kennedy of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church. Aside from his work at Coral Ridge, Dr. Kennedy has authored over 60 books and is spreading the cancer through four additional organizations– Coral Ridge Ministries Media, Inc., Evangelism Explosion International, Knox Theological Seminary, and Westminster Academy.

The point of Dr. Kennedy’s video is to show that atheism is fundamentally irrational. He further maintains, appropriately I think, that someone holding irrational beliefs is a fool. Consequently, atheists are fools.

His case begins with, to paraphrase, “God says atheists are fools and that ought to be sufficient”. He’s obviously preaching to the choir here, which is almost certainly most of his audience and a showman must play to his crowd. To his credit though, he does seem to “grasp the fact that quoting the Bible in no way influences people who do not already believe the Bible” and so he offers a logical proof.

His case runs like this: ‘Atheism’ means ‘no god’. This is a negative. In fact, it is a universal negative. Universal negatives are impossible to maintain. Rather, to maintain a universal negative you’d have to have absolute knowledge. If you had absolute knowledge then you’d be a God. Putting it all together you get, 1) atheists can’t possibly support their belief that their is no God, since it is a universal negative or 2) if an atheist can support the statement then that atheist is in fact a God and thus is committing a self contradiction. In either case the atheist is using flawed logic. In either case, the atheist is wrong.

In a lot of ways Dr. Kennedy is right. Universal negatives are impossible to maintain, except in some limited circumstances and for someone with absolute knowledge. And this latter case could arguable make one a God, leading to a contradiction.

So what is wrong? Has he convinced me? Have I converted?

We humans make negative statements all of the time. Many of those statements could arguably be called universal negatives. Are we all for those utterances? No. We aren’t fools because language and logic are different. Language and logic follow different rules. Language’s rules are flexible and not at all bound to logic, formal or informal. One must not be tripped up by that difference. One must not get tripped up over language.

The best example I have to make the point is the double negative. Most languages, including, for example, Spanish and including old and middle English, employ double negatives– and triples are not unheard of– to mean stronger negatives, not positives. This of course flies in the face of logic. Luckily, language and logic are not the same thing.

A good logician will tell you that when you translate from a natural language into some kind of logical system you can’t translate mechanically. You have to ask, “What does this statement mean, really?” You’ve got the same situation when translating between natural languages.

Dr. Kennedy didn’t do this. He didn’t ask “what does ‘atheism’ mean”. Instead he dissected the word. He constructed an argument based in the linguistic structure, the morphology, of the word. This, colloquially, is called ‘arguing semantics’ and it is called that not without some derision. Logically, because of this disjunction between the nit-picked structure of the word and its actual meaning, it constitutes a kind of straw man.

People disbelieve in a great many things. That disbelief may vary from individual to individual, but everyone disbelieves in a great many things. Some disbelieve in ghosts. Others do not believe in the predictive power of astrology. Others do not believe in human caused global warming. Some rare few do not believe that the Earth is spherical or that the moon landings actually occurred. Can any of this disbeliefs, whatever your personal take on each, reasonably be interpreted to mean “I know with absolute certainty that nowhere in the universe or any other can this possibly at be true”? I don’t think so.

I think that one one sits and thinks through things soberly it become fairly obvious that these are not statements of absolute universal negation as Dr. Kennedy needs them to be. They are statements about evidence. They are statements about the volume and quality of evidence available to we mere mortals, and they are statements about conclusions based upon that evidence. ‘I do not believe in astrology’ properly means something like ‘I see no reason to believe in astrology’. ‘I do not believe in aliens’ means something more like ‘There isn’t any evidence worth mentioning in favor of the existence of extra-terrestrial visitors’. These are not grand negations. They are small one. They are assessments of fact and they are no more irrational than stating ‘I don’t think you’ll run out of gas on the way to the store’, which strictly speaking would require superhuman, if not absolute, knowledge to utter with absolute certainty.

Likewise with atheism. ‘There is no evidence worth mentioning…’ ‘I see no reason to believe in…’ ‘The evidence for god is not convincing.’

Of course, within any group you can find radicals and there likely are some atheists who fit Dr. Kennedy’s bill, but on the whole he is off target. Dr. Kennedy’s argument fails because he’s missed something very fundamental: Atheism isn’t the grand universal negative he claims it to be. It is a statement about evidence. ‘I do not believe that there is evidence for the existence of God.’ It is no more irrational that ‘I do not believe that there is a monster under the bed’. It is no more irrational than ‘I do not believe this plane will fly’ or ‘I do not believe that ship will sink’.

As for atheism being the “Religion of Fools”. It isn’t. Atheism isn’t much of anything, really…

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There are currently 13 responses to “Damned Fools! Those Atheists.”

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  1. 1 On July 15th, 2007, Simon said:

    Another argument which I think is stronger points out that both literal atheism and theism are wrong, because they are Unintelligible. What sense does it make to argue over the existence of a round square? The referent is unintelligible and therefore cannot even serve as the subject of an existence claim. Intelligible referents can’t be the subject of evidence, they’re just silly. Thus, atheism’s “NOT” is not an existential claim, but a metaphysical COULD NOT exist.

    The reader can take it from here, as deconstructions of the concept of intangible presence, agency, unbounded fields of action, infinite knowledge, etc., would take up a good few pages… :)

  2. 2 On July 15th, 2007, Simon said:

    Sorry, that was “UNintelligble referents can’t be the subject of evidence…”

  3. 3 On July 15th, 2007, mel said:

    Atheism isn’t the grand universal negative he claims it to be. It is a statement about evidence.

    Yes, and a statement about the absence of evidence for a proposition and therefore not even a statement about belief and not even a negative statement. We’re simply saying, “hey, you say there’s a god? Show me.”

    The bluff we get in the form of “no, god is self-evident and your doubt is incoherent” may be one of the most obvious tells in the game.

  4. 4 On July 15th, 2007, themaiden said:

    Hi Mel,

    Thanks for dropping by.

    It is funny how many times I’ve heard an unbeliever ask for evidence. Most of my own conversations with the faithful begin with that simple question. I too always get nonsense as an answer.

  5. 5 On July 16th, 2007, kip152 said:

    Have you ever seen Kennedy’s weekly info-mercial on CBN? He is the definition of “irrational”.

  6. 6 On July 16th, 2007, themaiden said:

    Kip,

    I haven’t seen it, but this bit of reasoning is so amateurish that I’m not surprised.

  7. 7 On July 22nd, 2007, The Ridger said:

    Ah, the argument from etymology! So common. So pointless.

    Chaucer (at least) once even used a quadruple negative (he described the Knight as “a very parfait gentil Knight, who never yet no villanie ne said unto no manner wight”)! Whenever anyone tells me “double negatives” cancel out, I ask them if that means they accept triple negatives, which don’t. Language isn’t logic (or logical, for that matter).

    Which both contribute to the problem with the word “believe”. We commonly use it to mean “acknowledge the existence of but reject the utility or benefit of”, as in “I don’t believe in pre-marital sex” or “I don’t believe in teenage drinking” or, as reporters said with straight faces during the Amish school shooting incident, “The Amish don’t believe in cell phones or helicopters.” Cripes, of course we, and they, do, if “not believing in” means “thinking it doesn’t exist”. But we have no trouble understanding what “the Amish don’t believe in cell phones” MEANS. But the religious - like Kennedy - seem to interpret “I don’t believe in God” as having only the one meaning (I accept that God exists but deny its benefit or usefulness).

  8. 8 On July 22nd, 2007, Bob Kowalski said:

    How’s this for an analogy?

    Christian means “little Christ.” This means that Jesus Christ must have been a person taller (or maybe maybe obese) than average. Since the average physical size of human beings has increased over the last few centuries (millennia) this means that there are very few, if any Christians living today.

    See today’s posting on my blog for some differences between “disbelief in God” and “lack of belief in God.”

  9. 9 On July 22nd, 2007, themaiden said:

    Ridger,

    Yeah, the argument from etymology. Damned frustrating isn’t it? What is even more frustrating is that the faithful, some of them anyway, will accuse me of playing with words. I speak from experience. Its happened before.

    Gotta love Chaucer. He’s a big backhanded slap in the face of every English teacher I’ve ever known (well, except the English teacher who was technically a linguist). :)

  10. 10 On July 22nd, 2007, themaiden said:

    I took a look at your site, Bob. Very nice. You can permalink to particular articles if you like, so long as they are related. Don’t try to sell Viagra to my readers, for example. :)

    It is fun to play with words. What you quickly realize is that a lot of very common words don’t really make much sense if you think about it too strictly.

  11. 11 On July 22nd, 2007, Barry Mahfood said:

    Excellent critique. I would wager that, in his heart, Dr. Kennedy knows his argument is faulty. Maybe his awareness is so deep he’s unaware of it, but it sounds like this video was designed to make the faithful think they have a powerful argument against atheism. Gives them a sense of confidence. The chances of them ever trying to use it in real life are practically nil.

    Barry
    http://penitentatheist.blogspot.com

  12. 12 On January 17th, 2008, Gaby said:

    I believe there is room in this world for everyone to believe as they wish or disbelieve as they wish. It is what makes life interesting.

  13. 13 On January 19th, 2008, themaiden said:

    Gaby,

    You don’t really believe that. You don’t. I could come up with examples to prove my point, but so could you if you’d think about it.

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