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		<title>By: themaiden</title>
		<link>http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/2007/07/15/damned-fools-those-atheists/#comment-165815</link>
		<dc:creator>themaiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gaby,

You don't really believe that. You don't. I could come up with examples to prove my point, but so could you if you'd think about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaby,</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t really believe that. You don&#8217;t. I could come up with examples to prove my point, but so could you if you&#8217;d think about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gaby</title>
		<link>http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/2007/07/15/damned-fools-those-atheists/#comment-165164</link>
		<dc:creator>Gaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there is room in this world for everyone to believe as they wish or disbelieve as they wish. It is what makes life interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there is room in this world for everyone to believe as they wish or disbelieve as they wish. It is what makes life interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Mahfood</title>
		<link>http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/2007/07/15/damned-fools-those-atheists/#comment-108407</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Mahfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent critique. I would wager that, in his heart, Dr. Kennedy knows his argument is faulty. Maybe his awareness is so deep he's unaware of it, but it sounds like this video was designed to make the faithful think they have a powerful argument against atheism. Gives them a sense of confidence. The chances of them ever trying to use it in real life are practically nil.

Barry
http://penitentatheist.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent critique. I would wager that, in his heart, Dr. Kennedy knows his argument is faulty. Maybe his awareness is so deep he&#8217;s unaware of it, but it sounds like this video was designed to make the faithful think they have a powerful argument against atheism. Gives them a sense of confidence. The chances of them ever trying to use it in real life are practically nil.</p>
<p>Barry<br />
<a href="http://penitentatheist.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://penitentatheist.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: themaiden</title>
		<link>http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/2007/07/15/damned-fools-those-atheists/#comment-108362</link>
		<dc:creator>themaiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took a look at your site, Bob. Very nice. You can permalink to particular articles if you like, so long as they are related. Don't try to sell Viagra to my readers, for example. :)

It is fun to play with words. What you quickly realize is that a lot of very common words don't really make much sense if you think about it too strictly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took a look at your site, Bob. Very nice. You can permalink to particular articles if you like, so long as they are related. Don&#8217;t try to sell Viagra to my readers, for example. <img src='http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It is fun to play with words. What you quickly realize is that a lot of very common words don&#8217;t really make much sense if you think about it too strictly.</p>
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		<title>By: themaiden</title>
		<link>http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/2007/07/15/damned-fools-those-atheists/#comment-108360</link>
		<dc:creator>themaiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ridger,

Yeah, the argument from etymology. Damned frustrating isn't it? What is even more frustrating is that the faithful, some of them anyway, will accuse me of playing with words. I speak from experience. Its happened before. 

Gotta love Chaucer. He's a big backhanded slap in the face of every English teacher I've ever known (well, except the English teacher who was technically a linguist). :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridger,</p>
<p>Yeah, the argument from etymology. Damned frustrating isn&#8217;t it? What is even more frustrating is that the faithful, some of them anyway, will accuse me of playing with words. I speak from experience. Its happened before. </p>
<p>Gotta love Chaucer. He&#8217;s a big backhanded slap in the face of every English teacher I&#8217;ve ever known (well, except the English teacher who was technically a linguist). <img src='http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Bob Kowalski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 14:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How's this for an analogy?

Christian means "little Christ." This means that Jesus Christ must have been a person taller (or maybe maybe obese) than average. Since the average physical size of human beings has increased over the last few centuries (millennia) this means that there are very few, if any Christians living today.

See today's posting on my blog for some differences between "disbelief in God" and "lack of belief in God."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How&#8217;s this for an analogy?</p>
<p>Christian means &#8220;little Christ.&#8221; This means that Jesus Christ must have been a person taller (or maybe maybe obese) than average. Since the average physical size of human beings has increased over the last few centuries (millennia) this means that there are very few, if any Christians living today.</p>
<p>See today&#8217;s posting on my blog for some differences between &#8220;disbelief in God&#8221; and &#8220;lack of belief in God.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Ridger</title>
		<link>http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/2007/07/15/damned-fools-those-atheists/#comment-108338</link>
		<dc:creator>The Ridger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the argument from etymology! So common. So pointless. 

Chaucer (at least) once even used a quadruple negative (he described the Knight as "a very parfait gentil Knight, who never yet no villanie ne said unto no manner wight")! Whenever anyone tells me "double negatives" cancel out, I ask them if that means they accept triple negatives, which don't. Language isn't logic (or logical, for that matter).

Which both contribute to the problem with the word "believe". We commonly use it to mean "acknowledge the existence of but reject the utility or benefit of", as in "I don't believe in pre-marital sex" or "I don't believe in teenage drinking" or, as reporters said with straight faces during the Amish school shooting incident, "The Amish don't believe in cell phones or helicopters." Cripes, of course we, and they, do, if "not believing in" means "thinking it doesn't exist". But we have no trouble understanding what "the Amish don't believe in cell phones" MEANS. But the religious - like Kennedy - seem to interpret "I don't believe in God" as having only the one meaning (I accept that God exists but deny its benefit or usefulness).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the argument from etymology! So common. So pointless. </p>
<p>Chaucer (at least) once even used a quadruple negative (he described the Knight as &#8220;a very parfait gentil Knight, who never yet no villanie ne said unto no manner wight&#8221;)! Whenever anyone tells me &#8220;double negatives&#8221; cancel out, I ask them if that means they accept triple negatives, which don&#8217;t. Language isn&#8217;t logic (or logical, for that matter).</p>
<p>Which both contribute to the problem with the word &#8220;believe&#8221;. We commonly use it to mean &#8220;acknowledge the existence of but reject the utility or benefit of&#8221;, as in &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe in pre-marital sex&#8221; or &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe in teenage drinking&#8221; or, as reporters said with straight faces during the Amish school shooting incident, &#8220;The Amish don&#8217;t believe in cell phones or helicopters.&#8221; Cripes, of course we, and they, do, if &#8220;not believing in&#8221; means &#8220;thinking it doesn&#8217;t exist&#8221;. But we have no trouble understanding what &#8220;the Amish don&#8217;t believe in cell phones&#8221; MEANS. But the religious - like Kennedy - seem to interpret &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe in God&#8221; as having only the one meaning (I accept that God exists but deny its benefit or usefulness).</p>
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		<title>By: themaiden</title>
		<link>http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/2007/07/15/damned-fools-those-atheists/#comment-107416</link>
		<dc:creator>themaiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kip,

I haven't seen it, but this bit of reasoning is so amateurish that I'm not surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kip,</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen it, but this bit of reasoning is so amateurish that I&#8217;m not surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: kip152</title>
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		<dc:creator>kip152</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever seen Kennedy's weekly info-mercial on CBN? He is the definition of "irrational".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever seen Kennedy&#8217;s weekly info-mercial on CBN? He is the definition of &#8220;irrational&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: themaiden</title>
		<link>http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/2007/07/15/damned-fools-those-atheists/#comment-107309</link>
		<dc:creator>themaiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 04:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mel,

Thanks for dropping by.

It is funny how many times I've heard an unbeliever ask for evidence. Most of my own conversations with the faithful begin with that simple question. I too always get nonsense as an answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mel,</p>
<p>Thanks for dropping by.</p>
<p>It is funny how many times I&#8217;ve heard an unbeliever ask for evidence. Most of my own conversations with the faithful begin with that simple question. I too always get nonsense as an answer.</p>
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		<title>By: mel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 03:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Atheism isn’t the grand universal negative he claims it to be. It is a statement about evidence.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, and a statement about the &lt;em&gt;absence&lt;/em&gt; of evidence for a proposition and therefore not even a statement about belief and not even a negative statement. We're simply saying, "hey, you say there's a god? Show me."

The bluff we get in the form of "no, god is self-evident and your doubt is incoherent" may be one of the most obvious tells in the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Atheism isn’t the grand universal negative he claims it to be. It is a statement about evidence.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, and a statement about the <em>absence</em> of evidence for a proposition and therefore not even a statement about belief and not even a negative statement. We&#8217;re simply saying, &#8220;hey, you say there&#8217;s a god? Show me.&#8221;</p>
<p>The bluff we get in the form of &#8220;no, god is self-evident and your doubt is incoherent&#8221; may be one of the most obvious tells in the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that was "UNintelligble referents can't be the subject of evidence..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that was &#8220;UNintelligble referents can&#8217;t be the subject of evidence&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
		<link>http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/2007/07/15/damned-fools-those-atheists/#comment-107286</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2007 01:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another argument which I think is stronger points out that both literal atheism and theism are wrong, because they are Unintelligible. What sense does it make to argue over the existence of a round square? The referent is unintelligible and therefore cannot even serve as the subject of an existence claim. Intelligible referents can't be the subject of evidence, they're just silly. Thus, atheism's "NOT" is not an existential claim, but a metaphysical COULD NOT exist.

The reader can take it from here, as deconstructions of the concept of intangible presence, agency, unbounded fields of action, infinite knowledge, etc., would take up a good few pages... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another argument which I think is stronger points out that both literal atheism and theism are wrong, because they are Unintelligible. What sense does it make to argue over the existence of a round square? The referent is unintelligible and therefore cannot even serve as the subject of an existence claim. Intelligible referents can&#8217;t be the subject of evidence, they&#8217;re just silly. Thus, atheism&#8217;s &#8220;NOT&#8221; is not an existential claim, but a metaphysical COULD NOT exist.</p>
<p>The reader can take it from here, as deconstructions of the concept of intangible presence, agency, unbounded fields of action, infinite knowledge, etc., would take up a good few pages&#8230; <img src='http://www.hells-handmaiden.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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