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Immigrants Don’t Pay Taxes

posted in Politics by themaiden |

Immigrants– illegal ones– don’t pay taxes. They work off the books, freeload off our health care system, take from welfare, benefit from our legal system and infrastructure, and don’t pay for any of it.

Right?

Let’s think about taxes.

I go to work. Twice a month, let’s say, I get paid. My check doesn’t match the number of hours I worked times my pay per hour. Taxes calculated by my employer and are withheld. No surprise there, at least not to anyone working in the United States. Of course, I work legally. I’m a citizen. Obviously, this wouldn’t be the case if a person were working illegally. Someone working illegally would be paid ‘under the table’ and so would effectively cheat the tax system. Right?

Well… what happens to that ‘under the table’ money? What happens if I hire illegal workers, keep no records, and pay them cash? They pay no taxes, true, but I do. If I pay someone legally, I don’t have to pay taxes on that income. What I pay out is an expense (leaving aside that employers do share some of the tax load with employees). If I have no records, if I pay under the table I can’t claim that payout and I consequently have to pay taxes on that income. In other words, while the illegal workers aren’t paying taxes, taxes are being paid on the labor they perform. In fact, there is a good chance that higher taxes are being paid on that labor than would be paid to a legal worker of the same economic status as the illegal immigrants typically hired. Why? An employer is likely to be in a higher tax bracket than those illegal workers and thus taxes on their labor, paid indirectly as part of the employers income, will be paid at the employer’s tax level.

What this means is that arguments based upon the costs of illegal immigration and calling for a hard line against it are inane, much as a report from Texas indicates.

The Center for Immigration Studies argues differently. In an often cited report from 2004 titled “The High Costs of Cheap Labor”, Steven A. Camarota purports that “when all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered, illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion in 2002“.

Despite the explicit claim to adjust for “all taxes paid (direct and indirect)” nowhere in the 48 page report can I find evidence that the simple point above has been addressed. Taxes get paid on any income that runs through the system even if the final endpoint is an illegal and off the books payment. Really, the only way to avoid this effect is with money that moves entirely within illegal channels or with money that is intentionally hidden.

Consider: I run a business and working alone gross $2,000 per month performing some service. I pay taxes on $2,000. I hire an illegal laborer and with that help gross $3,500. I pay this laborer $800, meaning that I net $2700. However, as I pay off the books, I pay taxes on $3,500, not on $2,700. In other words, by choosing to pay off the books, I also choose to pay my laborer’s taxes. And I pay at my tax rate, not the laborer’s, meaning that I likely pay more taxes would the laborer if paid on the books.

Camarota calculates, in ‘The High Costs of Cheap Labor‘, a 10.4 billion dollar net fiscal deficit– a loss– due to illegal immigrants. Camarota comes by his numbers by arguing a weird double standard. Ignoring the indirect taxation just described, he admits that of the immigrant households (more than half) that do pay taxes they pay at the same rates as any other household in the same socio-economic category and use fewer services. Yet he calculates a loss on the grounds that immigrants make less money than average and so pay less in taxes. That difference is the ‘net loss’. It may be true, but it is hardly fair. One could cite a ‘net loss’ to the US economy simply by referencing poor people and running the same calculation. But I am not interested in digging deeply into that point.

Returning to the example above and assuming that I, the employer, pay taxes on that $800 dollars at a rate of 15% then approximately 7 million immigrants paid under the table would make up this difference. The CIS gives a figure of “at least” 8 million illegal immigrants in the US in 2003, just prior to the publication of ‘The High Costs of Cheap Labor‘. Another source gives 10.3 million for 2005, the year just after the report’s publication. Tancredo apparently claims that there are 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants in the United States today.

But there are some problems with the numbers.

According to the CIS, about 55% of illegal immigrants work on the books and so pay, or don’t pay, taxes like anyone else. This, as noted, is the source of Camarota’s ‘loss’. Taking 8 million as a base figure, this implies that about 3.5 million or so illegal immigrants work off the books. Of course, not all of these immigrants would be working. Assuming about 3 million do work at the rates above, then these 3 million should generate about 4.3 billion dollars– 6 billion or so short of the 10.4 billion needed to break even.

There is still something wrong with the numbers.

Eight hundred per month represents less than 40 hours a week at $6 dollars per hour. The six dollar per hour figure may be close, but the hours are low. At 60 hours per week at $6 per hour, 3 million workers working off the books should generate around 7.8 billion, about 2.6 billion short of Camarota’s 10.4 billion.

Taking another number, drawn from one particular ‘Slave Labor’ example, 3 million workers working off the books at $65 per day, six days a week, should generate about 8.4 billion in taxes.

All of these numbers are below 10.4 billion, meaning there is still a net loss. But there is still something wrong with the numbers.

Camarota states explicitly that a significant portion of the net loss caused by immigrants results from expenses incurred by their children, who receive citizenship and hence benefits at birth. Children are a net loss across the board in the sense that they make no financial contributions to the economy, but do receive benefits paid for only in part by their parents. It seems that if one is to include children in the calculation their contributions after reaching adulthood needs to be calculated, not just their costs as children. Taking the adult contributions of these immigrant children into account ought to finish balancing the equation, at least.

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  1. 1 On August 6th, 2007, Deep Thought said:

    I wonder, though. See, payroll taxes are very regressive, as opposed to income tax. “Off the books” labor allows employees and employers to dodge payroll taxes, making the dependency ratio for social security, medicare, etc. worse - after all, income tax has very little to do with these rather-large government expenditures.

    Toss in that the employer can often dodge OSHA regulations (many of which are only triggered after total employee numbers hit thresholds), pay less than minimum wage, and pay less for insurance, bonds, and not offer healthcare, and it is almost a win, anyway.

    The big killer to your theory, though (IMO) is this - businessmen must account for money. Illegals getting paid off the books still get cash. The employer who pays them must account for where it went. I assume it is buried in other business-related expenses (after all, there is no ‘illegal payroll’ category) and written off for purposes of taxes.

  2. 2 On August 7th, 2007, themaiden said:

    Hi Deep Thought. Welcome back.

    The Center for Immigration Studies article I cited states that immigrants represent a positive 7 billion in Social Security and Medicare taxes so talking about making that ‘dependency ratio’ worse doesn’t make sense. In those areas, there is no dependency ratio. Just the opposite.

    Yes, employers can dodge OSHA regulations but only small employers can pull it off. Larger organizations get watched. I speak from experience, having worked in an industry for 12 years or so where virtually everyone short of large commercial contractors dodged– ignored– the regulations simply because OSHA rules make doing business brutally expensive. This in not, though, a phenomenon peculiar to businesses that hire illegal immigrants.

    And yes, you can get away with paying less than minimum wage, less for insurance, bonds, and healthcare. However, that doesn’t change the income into the business which translate into taxes that must be paid by the employer.

    I think your assumption that employers bury illegal payrolls in other business related expenses is wrong. A business could certainly bury some of the payroll in expenses to cheat taxes, as I rather cynically assert that most businesses attempt to do anyway. However, burying money on a large scale is not easy. Consider a framing contractor– as my experience tells me that the industry is heavy on illegal at least in part of the country– with four employees. Each employee is paid 5 an hour, ten hours a day, six days a week– all low estimates IMO. In a year that works out to 57,600 dollars. A framing contractor can’t hide that kind of money. A framer pays for, pretty much, nails. The general contractor pays for everything else. (Again, in the area I worked.) This all assumes that work is steady and all that, but you get the idea. Even $30,000 couldn’t be hidden. In other industries with more expenses it might be easier. Still, writing off business related expenses requires receipts, which a cheating employer isn’t going to have. It is very risky business. A restaurant can’t ‘buy’ $30,000 in food it doesn’t sell, pay $1500 a month in electricity when the bills show $1000, or argue that it operates profitably with half the staff similar restaurants require. Hiding large sums of money is going to raise red flags. I don’t think it is going to be quite as rampant as you imagine.

  3. 3 On October 9th, 2007, thomas judges said:

    this is all based on if the employer is honest. if he pays under the table he will most likely
    write off every expense he can think of and most likely at an inflated rate more then what it actualy cost him. this is how every one beats the tax system. and the legal workers end up paying the bills. the sad thing is the goverment knows this and does the same thing.

  4. 4 On October 9th, 2007, themaiden said:

    Thomas,

    I don’t base much of anything on people being honest, and I don’t think this is any exception. Certainly people will try to beat taxes. I don’t know that the connection between “immigrant labor” and “cheat rabidly on taxes” is as strong as you imagine. At any rate, cheating on taxes is not easy and penalties are high if you get caught.

  5. 5 On October 9th, 2007, thomas judges said:

    i just saw a news special how many rich people and companys where not paying taxes for up to ten years before geting caught, but this was all a plan.when they did get caught they used a lawyer to reduce the amount owed to 10 cents on the dollar and the irs would always take the deal to avoid a long court battle. well the poor class people cant get a deal because they cant hire a lawyer.i guess this is why the poor and middle class get took.

  6. 6 On October 10th, 2007, themaiden said:

    Thomas,

    I wish you would have provided enough information that I could find that news story.

    At any rate, I don’t doubt that people cheat on taxes. Nor do I doubt that companies and rich folk are the big cheaters. That is what I’d expect. But what is the connection to immigrant labor?

  7. 7 On December 19th, 2007, Juan said:

    We do not pay taxes. Fuck you! What are you going to do about it?

  8. 8 On December 19th, 2007, Juan said:

    For all your effeminate society is worth! It certainly won’t receive a damn penny from my pocket!

  9. 9 On December 19th, 2007, themaiden said:

    ‘Juan’,

    I’ve known a lot of Hispanic folk and I can’t imagine any of them writing what you just wrote. I don’t mean the content. I mean the style. You write like a white boy– quite possibly one with a red neck.

    Plus… um… you didn’t read the post very carefully.

  10. 10 On January 10th, 2008, Erika said:

    Even illegal immigrants pay their share of taxes. They pay local and state taxes every time they buy clothes, cars, gas and other goods. Illegal immigrants also own homes and pay the corresponding property taxes. By the way, they pay a much higher interest rate than the average American, just for not having a social security number. Also, they pay real estate taxes even when renting, embedded in the rent payment. For the above reasons, they are as entitled as anybody else to use the education system.

  11. 11 On January 10th, 2008, Erika said:

    By the way it doesn’t seem that people who are born here are willing to do the jobs that illegal immigrants do so why are you guys complaining about? You should complain if you guys were the ones doing those things and they are taking the jobs from you.

  12. 12 On January 10th, 2008, themaiden said:

    Erika,

    I don’t mean to be rude but did you read the damn post or did you stop at the first sentence?

  13. 13 On January 28th, 2008, LA_SICK said:

    Hey Erika, In about 10 years technology will be doing the jobs “Americans dont want to do” then what? I guess they move up the ladder and start doing jobs that people who just graduated high school work at. I mean are you serious? Where are tme millions of legal immigrants and American’s going to live if all of the apartments are rented out by illegal immigrants. Do you not understand that we have laws for a reason. If the government does not do its job to deport people who are not accounted for in our “system” we all will be living in a 3rd world country with millions of very poor people fighting for crumbs and a very rich 1% laughing and counting money.” IT IS A SAD DAY WHEN A ILLEGAL ALIEN OWNS A HOME BEFORE A AMERICAN”

  14. 14 On February 7th, 2008, im sick of this stupidity said:

    Hi LA_SICK you are talking about economical instability and uneven distribution of wealth in this country.. have you been living under the rock for the past hmm say 50 years ? right now, from the entire population on earth the mentioned 1% owns 95% of goods and assets. when it comes to US the numbers might be slightly different but still, the whole middle class is getting poorer and it is not because illigal imigrants. it is because of the doulbe standards set by our goverment. it is not as simple as everyone here makes it look. to consider the illigal imigration you would have to consider labor that they do, and yes most of this labor might possibly be replaced by machines in the future as someone here mentioned, but i dont doubt that lots and lots of legal residents will loose their jobs to. and i asume were talking about blue collar workers here, because i dont know any Illigal that works in the office.

  15. 15 On February 7th, 2008, im sick of this stupidity said:

    you guys complaint about illigal workers, but you are happy when you get a dish in restaurant on a clean plate, you are satisfied when your lawn is nicely cut(here illigals own companies as well and legals and they pay taxes)you dont think much about who prepares your fast food meals, and many more examples… that we take for granted and you are saying that you are willing to do all those jobs? that pay mostly minimum wage? think again. and one more thing; many illigals maybe dont pay taxes direclty, but there are milions that actually do. besides if it wasnt for imigrants this country wouldnt exist. granted we all came from europe at some point of time in our history so i dont understand how can you complaint about it. it maybe was your grandfather or great grandfather or even his father that came to this country when it was formed and they got drafted right away to fight for it. now what kind of world did they fight for, why do we complain so much, maybe it isnt an american dream anymore. maybe it isnt so great after all. what do you think

  16. 16 On April 19th, 2008, Very High Tax Payer said:

    Hi all,
    My biggest problem with this issue is the fact that many illegals are working with many names & social security numbers claiming many dependents and at at the end of the year they don’t file taxes on that number, they get another SS# and do the same thing year after year. And if that isn’t bad enough, their family members are receiving medical,food stamps and other benifets, while many of our hard working tax paying citizens can’t evan afford to buy their perscriptions. I have seen this first hand. While standing in line to pick up my perscription, there was an older lady ahead of me also picking up one. The pharmacist told her it would be $234.00, she stated she didn’t have that much money so wouldn’t be able to take it and she left. Meanwile the next person in line, a young hispanic girl who was picking up a perscription for a very old man who didn’t speak english and I’m sure had not paid taxes here his whole life, was simply handed her perscription and not charged a penny. I don’t believe anyone who is not or has not paid taxes should be allowed to reap the benifets of our state. I myself have a daughter who is a cosmetogilst and can’t afford to buy insurance, therefore, unless it is a matter of life & death she just has to do without medical and perscriptions. I don’t know, but I don’t think we can move to another country and receive more benifets then their own citizens, Do you??

  17. 17 On April 21st, 2008, themaiden said:

    Very High Taxpayer,

    I’m not sure your story counts as seeing it first hand as the story’s punch really depends upon accepting as true a part of the story that you made up– the part about ‘knowing’ that the old man had never paid taxes. You don’t provide evidence for the new social security number year after year and the many dependents either. And of course it is also possible that these people do in fact have multiple dependent.

  18. 18 On April 22nd, 2008, Jacob said:

    This is sooo trivial its not even funny, we are like a bunch of rich people sitting around complaining about something benefiting us. The people who use other peoples SSN# are once again benefiting the US because its not like they file for thier refunds. Its not like we give them good loans. Its not like they don’t work harder than you non-home owners. Think about how lazy we are being right now. We cannot allow ourselves to have self pitty for something we are not doing. If you don’t like your own life, do something about it. Its a free country!

  19. 19 On April 22nd, 2008, themaiden said:

    Jacob,

    You’re right. It is odd to complain about illegal immigrants using SSNs. If you’ve got an SSN it means that 1) you’ve got a job and 2) you are paying SS taxes at least– just what ‘High TaxPayer’ was complaining about. And, as you note, not filing income taxes works in favor of the legal residents of the nation.

  20. 20 On April 23rd, 2008, chris said:

    i am sick of this stupidity,

    you are totally right about our country not excisting without immigrants, the only difference is when my great ,great, great, great grandpa came to the U.S from germany he did not make demands or expect americans to speak German, he learned to speak english just like every other non english speaking immigrant did. He did not raise the german flag over the american flag like they did at a texas school this year. That is what eats me up, I have no problem with someone wanting to better their life, but dont come over here and say we are unfair and racist. Maybe i am a simple minded redneck, but it pissed me off when they raised the mexican flag over the american, as a veteran it hits me hard that someone living illegal in my country, that so many have fought for, would disgrace our flag like that. If you want to be here and reap the benifits of our country, and get your little piece of that pie, respect our country, our people, our flag, and our ways. And for the jobs that most illegals work here in america, are usually jobs that us lazy americans dont want to do, but not all of them. My mom was recentlly denied a job at wells fargo because she was not bilingual, what kind of crap is that? just think about this, If we were to flood into mexico by the millions and start demanding they speak english and raise the american flag over the mexican flag and they had press 1 for spanish 2 for english, they would be doing the same thing we are right now. (sorry to get off the subject about taxes)

  21. 21 On June 8th, 2008, Alicia sheknowshebad Hester said:

    i think that their is a bigger issue than immigrants not paying taxes. Some poepl are just racist and predujice. A group of people from another country taking your job makes you angry. If you do your job right you won’t have to worry about losing your job. Besides, taxes come back in a nice chunk at the end of the year… you don’t lose any money, you just get it later. Be happy with what you have been bless with… living in AMERICA. It culd have been someone esles life and you could have been wishing you were here

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