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God. Sex. Violence. Immorality.

posted in Abortion, Politics, Sexuality, Society by themaiden |

In a comment on my recent post about Decadent Old Europe, SamD, of SamuelDouglas.wordpress.com, pointed me towards an article worth quote mining. The piece is from the Journal of Religion and Society. It is cross-national comparison of the more secular vs. the more religious developed democracies. The numbers in square brackets, [], indicate paragraphs as numbered in the original document and numbers inside the sideways carets, <>, indicate footnotes in the original document.

[13]Among the developed democracies absolute belief in God, attendance of religious services and Bible literalism vary over a dozenfold, atheists and agnostics five fold, prayer rates fourfold, and acceptance of evolution almost twofold. Japan, Scandinavia, and France are the most secular nations in the west, the United States is the only prosperous first world nation to retain rates of religiosity otherwise limited to the second and third worlds (Bishop; PEW). Prosperous democracies where religiosity is low (which excludes the U.S.) are referred to below as secular developed democracies.

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies

Science?

[14]Correlations between popular acceptance of human evolution and belief in and worship of a creator and Bible literalism are negative (Figure 1). The least religious nation, Japan, exhibits the highest agreement with the scientific theory, the lowest level of acceptance is found in the most religious developed democracy, the U.S.

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies

No surprise. More religion, less science. More fantasy, less reality.

On this topic, the authors conclude that “[17] The absence of exceptions to the negative correlation between absolute belief in a creator and acceptance of evolution, plus the lack of a significant religious revival in any developed democracy where evolution is popular, cast doubt on the thesis that societies can combine high rates of both religiosity and agreement with evolutionary science.”

But to hell with science. What matters is that people behave, right?

[15] A few hundred years ago rates of homicide were astronomical in Christian Europe and the American colonies (Beeghley; R. Lane). In all secular developed democracies a centuries long-term trend has seen homicide rates drop to historical lows (Figure 2)…. Despite a significant decline from a recent peak in the 1980s (Rosenfeld), the U.S. is the only prosperous democracy that retains high homicide rates, making it a strong outlier in this regard (Beeghley; Doyle, 2000). Similarly, theistic Portugal also has rates of homicides well above the secular developed democracy norm. Mass student murders in schools are rare, and have subsided somewhat since the 1990s, but the U.S. has experienced many more (National School Safety Center) than all the secular developed democracies combined.

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies

Surprisingly, youth suicide doesn’t seem to be effected by faith.

The United States exhibits typical rates of youth suicide (WHO), which show little if any correlation with theistic factors in the prosperous democracies (Figure 3). The positive correlation between pro-theistic factors and juvenile mortality is remarkable, especially regarding absolute belief, and even prayer (Figure 4).

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies

But faith seems to correlate with increased juvenile mortality.

The positive correlation between pro-theistic factors and juvenile mortality is remarkable, especially regarding absolute belief, and even prayer (Figure 4).

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies

Overall lifespans, as well, drop with belief.

Life spans tend to decrease as rates of religiosity rise (Figure 5), especially as a function of absolute belief. Denmark is the only exception. Unlike questionable small-scale epidemiological studies by Harris et al. and Koenig and Larson, higher rates of religious affiliation, attendance, and prayer do not result in lower juvenile-adult mortality rates on a cross-national basis.<6>

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies

Thanks for the helping hand, Jesus.

Now for the sex.

[16] Although the late twentieth century STD epidemic has been curtailed in all prosperous democracies (Aral and Holmes; Panchaud et al.), rates of adolescent gonorrhea infection remain six to three hundred times higher in the U.S, than in less theistic, pro-evolution secular developed democracies (Figure 6)…. The U.S. also suffers from uniquely high adolescent and adult syphilis infection rates, which are starting to rise again as the microbe’s resistance increases (Figure 7). The two main curable STDs have been nearly eliminated in strongly secular Scandinavia.

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies

So, to coin a phrase…

“Know God. Know VD.”

And the abortion?

Increasing adolescent abortion rates show positive correlation with increasing belief and worship of a creator, and negative correlation with increasing non-theism and acceptance of evolution; again rates are uniquely high in the U.S. (Figure 8). Claims that secular cultures aggravate abortion rates (John Paul II) are therefore contradicted by the quantitative data. Early adolescent pregnancy and birth have dropped in the developed democracies (Abma et al.; Singh and Darroch), but rates are two to dozens of times higher in the U.S. where the decline has been more modest (Figure 9).

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies

What these last two results tell me is that ‘More God’ equals ‘Less responsible behavior’ and ‘Less God’ equals ‘More responsible behavior’. Sorry guys, faith just isn’t the magic bullet for society’s ills.

The authors recap, in case you missed it.

[18] In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the prosperous democracies (Figures 1-9).

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies

And more sex.

Darroch et al. found that age of first intercourse, number of sexual partners and similar issues among teens do not exhibit wide disparity or a consistent pattern among the prosperous democracies they sampled, including the U.S. A detailed comparison of sexual practices in France and the U.S. observed little difference except that the French tend - contrary to common impression - to be somewhat more conservative (Gagnon et al.).

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies

Translation: Your good Christian daughters are just as slutty as their godless friends. Get over it. Oh… except the French. Your daughters are more slutty than the French.

Have a nice day.

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There are currently 17 responses to “God. Sex. Violence. Immorality.”

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  1. 1 On October 1st, 2007, Sam D said:

    I’m glad you found it worthwhile.

  2. 2 On October 2nd, 2007, jenny said:

    Really excellent.Thanks for all.

  3. 3 On October 2nd, 2007, themaiden said:

    Sam,

    I did find it worthwhile. Thanks a bunch.

  4. 4 On October 14th, 2007, Robert Madewell said:

    Great article! I live in Arkansas which is one of the most religious states in USA. It also have one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the USA. I have always claimed that there is a connection between religosity and teen pregnancies because fundie parents do not teach their children about sex. They just tell the kids that sex is bad so don’t do it (unless you’re married to the individual you are having sex with). Very little is taught about protection from STDs or preventing pregnancy. Teaching “abstinence only” obviously does not work. We need to teach them about contraceptives and condoms along with abstinence, because some teens are going to have sex whether we want them to or not. That is part of being a teen. As parents we need to be there for the kids to inform them of protective measures and to dispel any misinformation about sex they may have heard (There is alot of it). In short, I think the high rate of teen pregnancies in the bible belt is cause by the lack of sex education. We need to tell the kids, “The best way to avoid getting pregnant is not to have sex at all, but if you do have sex this is what you need to know …”

  5. 5 On October 15th, 2007, Iron Soul said:

    Thanks for this. I’ve always sensed there was a problem with puritanical religion. Now I know it isn’t just me.

  6. 6 On October 16th, 2007, Ken Damrau said:

    Why bother? You know those theists aren’t so good with the numbers. If they were, that 10,0001st layer in an ice core would have ended this discussion long ago.

  7. 7 On October 16th, 2007, themaiden said:

    Good point, Ken, but… you know… I’m sure the Flood laid down a bunch of ice layers… or something…

  8. 8 On October 18th, 2007, Atheist pride . . .? | Main Street Plaza said:

    [...] and low rates of things like criminality, violence, divorce, abortion, STDs, etc. (Here’s one recent article about it, for [...]

  9. 9 On October 18th, 2007, mike said:

    religion = zealous ignorance

  10. 10 On October 18th, 2007, SamD said:

    What is frustrating to me is that while religion does not necessarily have to equal ‘zealous ignorance’, it almost always does.

    The worst part of the culture of ‘purity vows’ and abstinence etc is that young people are coerced or manipulated into making promises that they probably can’t keep. Worse still the responsible adults in these communities must know that this is the likely outcome. Encouraging someone to make a promise that you know they can’t keep, or teaching them a strategy for avoiding something that you know won’t work are acts that strike me as being particularly morally reprehensible. I see it as kind of promise-breaking in itself, there isn’t much that is lower than breaking a serious promise to a young person in your care.

    And they say that us Atheists have a problem with our values.

  11. 11 On October 22nd, 2007, ELBSeattle said:

    This guy is entertaining. But a lot of what he states as historical fact is no more than urban legend, stuff that you can glean off of poorly-researched websites. Sure, they make great stories. But if they aren’t accurate, what sense does that make?

  12. 12 On October 22nd, 2007, ELBSeattle said:

    I want to amend my previous comment. I’m not a right-wing religious nutjob defending abstinence-only programs or anything like that. But I’ve heard this guy talk on the histories of words (like the history of the word ‘fuck’) and his stuff is not always accurate.

    For the record, abstinence-only sex education programs do not work. Why is our government funding millions of dollars into something that is directly religiously based?

  13. 13 On October 22nd, 2007, Sam D said:

    Who do you mean by “This guy” ?
    Do you mean Gregory S. Paul, themaiden or myself? If you think I’m wrong then please bring it!
    The history of the word ‘fuck’ is beside the point. Being wrong about one thing does not make you wrong about another unrelated thing. And you admit we are right anyway, so what is the problem?

  14. 14 On October 22nd, 2007, themaiden said:

    Sam D,

    I assumed that “this guy” meant Gregory S. Paul, so I started looking for evidence to back ELBSeattle’s claim. I know… not my job to back other peoples’ claims. I found a fair amount of criticism of him. Most of it seems to be pure ad hominem — “he ain’t no sociologist so he’s wrong” that sort of thing. Some is ‘blanket denial’/'assertion to the contrary’ — “I’m sorry, the causes for those things are much more likely to be found in other explanations than religious ones.” Hmmm… on what grounds? The same journal– Journal of Religion and Society– has published a rejoinder. I can’t say I’m impressed by it.

  15. 15 On October 23rd, 2007, SamD said:

    I agree with regard to the rejoinder. What is important, from my philosophical perspective at least, is that GS Paul casts enough doubt on the idea that a more religious society is necessarily or automatically better regardless of other factors.

    In all fairness domestic economic & social policy can’t be taken out of the discussion though. Would the US score as badly if it had the same religious values but the commitment to social welfare and free access to health services as other countries in the study? Would denying evolution have as negative effect if less people were living in poverty? There are no clear cut answers and more detailed research is required, both from academics and policy makers.

  16. 16 On October 23rd, 2007, themaiden said:

    SamD,

    Sure. There are a lot of balls in play with anything like this. I’d never claim otherwise. But you are right about what is most important. This is enough to cast doubt on claims that religion– perhaps I should specify ‘Christianity’– necessarily makes societies better.

  17. 17 On March 7th, 2008, Stephen Thomas said:

    Robert,

    I too live in Arkansas, and I completely agree with your analysis. Kids are going to have sex — but religious people don’t explain to them the ins and outs of it, at least not to the significant extent that they should.

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