You seemed to have missed the point.

This is like if you give some antibiotic in right dose and after checking its sensitivity, it will not fail.

This is absolutely not correct. Antibiotics sometimes will fail. Confidence is one thing, but this is terrible overconfidence. I wouldn’t trust any doctor who uttered such a statement.

Your suggestion that homeopathy has been rejected by myself, or by science, due to one study involving 60 people– an assertion implied several times now– is misleading to be kind and patently false to be honest. Statements like this really damage your credibility. By following the links I have already provided anyone reading this thread can convince themselves that your assertion is false. That doesn’t help you case.

Why the name dropping Dr. Sharma? Name dropping is not argument, nor is it evidence.

It is great to hear from you. The paper that we wrote with Dr. Prasanta Banerji and his son, Pratip Banerji on Ruta is published in the International J. of Oncology 23: 975-982, 2003. I am a strong believer of Homeopathy and M.D. Anderson Cancer Center is going to start clinical trials with some these H. drugs on cancer patients. I was recently invited by the Office of Cancer Complementary and Alternative Medicine CAM), National Cancer Institute of N.I.H. to speak in a conference in Bethesda, Maryland. The title of the conference was: Cancer Researchers and CAM Practitioners: Fostering Collaborations; Advancing the Science, on October 22-23, 2007. What lacks in H. medicine is the scientific evidence, molecular mechanism of action and so on. Those of us who are believers and have scientific background are now involved in homeopathic medicine research. National Cancer Institute (NCI) has allocated millions of dollars to do research on such medicines because they have seen cases that have been treated successfully by H. medicines. As a matter of fact. NCI is ready to offer now grants to Dr. Banerji for his research in Kolkata. Dr. Jeffrey White the Director of CAM has visited Dr. Banerji’s clinic in Kolkata many times and he is immensely impressed with his treatment results. On 18 October, 2007, Dr. Abdul Kalam, the former President Of India, visited M.D. Anderson Cancer Center and we had a great and very productive discussion with our Cancer Center President, Dr. John Mendelsohn who is very open minded to bring homeopathy and other ancient treatment modalities for cancer treatment.

This is enough for today. I will not have time and energy to participate in those threads.

Thanks,
Sen Pathak
Sen Pathak, Ph.D., F.N.A.Sc.
Distinguished Research Professor
Department of Cancer Genetics, Unit # 1010
U.T.M.D. Anderson Cancer Center
1515 Holcombe Boulevard
Houston, Texas 77030
Tel: (713) 563-1892
E-mail: spathak@mdanderson.org

CcrhIndia.org is a mildly interesting site but I see none of the research you claim is there.

Once again I ask that you respond directly to my comments on this thread. I am not sure why that is such a difficult thing for you to do.

Yes, many things aren’t proven and that doesn’t mean that these things don’t exist. They might exist. So what? ‘Not proven’ does not mean ‘therefore it exists’. It means ‘insufficient evidence’. Are you admitting that homeopathy offers insufficient evidence?

If you don’t like the studies being done, homeopaths are welcome to construct studies of their own but those studies have to be done right and can’t be fatally flawed by methodological error and data cherry picking, etc.

I am sure you’ve got some anecdotal stories of success. What proof have you that it isn’t psychological or just chance? That is homeopathy’s problem really. If is worked as stated it should be easy enough to dispel these questions. It isn’t that complicated.

No offense but do you realize how quackish this sounds– “But if you carefully see that the symptom picture is matching that of aconite, it will 100% succeed”? 100%? Nothing works 100% and really the only people who ever claim that kind of success rate are charlatans.

http://ccrhindia.org/

You are welcome to write about homeopathy but do not pepper your posts with insults.

I have a couple of requests. Every comment you post contains a fair quantity of insult/personal attack. Please stop that rude behavior. Second, if you do not start responding to my comments directly I will simply ignore you. You post. I respond specifically to what you say and then you respond with something that doesn’t address the issues I raise. That is annoying.

Now…

You do not want to read about homeopathic research.

False, as ought to be obvious by my post and by my comments. Who is being dishonest here?

You dont want to see its results.

Again, false. Are you a mind reader as well?

You dont want to read clinical studies.

False. Again, who is being dishonest here?

You dont want to see its efficacy by using it.

Nor do I want to be treated by a psychic surgeon. I don’t see this as a failing.

Scientific mind is not blind.

Nor is scientific mind voodoo magic mind.

It is ready to think explore challenge observe and also must have honesty to accept truth.

Truth like, for example, most studies of homeopathy conclude that it doesn’t work? Is that the truth you mean?

Alas all this is missing in so called scientific people.

Oh? Because scientific people like actual evidence?

Homeopathy told more than 200 years ago about psychosomatic disease, about lifestyle induced diseases about beginning of disease much before its appearance clinically. All this science accept today.

And none of this has anything to do with magic energy water.

For more than 200 years humanity suffered because of dumb people like you ( or dishonest).

Ah, yes. Dumb and dishonest. That will get your point across. Which of us is behaving badly, Dr. Sharma? Which of us is resorting to ad hominem attacks?

Recognition by a government does not make something good science. That line of argument is about as logically flawed as it gets.

I read Pathak’s ruta study. I thought, where are the controls? Why the extra chemical? That is an almost unbelievable success rate? In other words, something is wrong with the study. Additionally, Pathak appears to have a miracle cure. If true, you’d expect it sweep the world in days, or weeks. Instead, very little has happened with it. Why? Conspiracy? Bad old medical doctors refusing to believe it? Look, if this worked a Big Pharmaceutical company would be on it minutes.

Such people are not new. They keep ignoring facts. But thank God all are not blind like them. Homeopathy is getting officially recognized even in USA & Canada as healing therapy.

http://www.boiron.com/en/htm/homeopathy-today/homeopathy-regulation.htm

and what, are they talking about research. This article tells why Columbia university is forming RESEARCH alliance with Dr Bannerjee

Dr. Pathak’s six year research on cancer cell lines has established on a cellular and molecular level the reasons why and how Dr. Banerji’s Ruta extracts work in putting the intracranial glioma tumors into remission. The primary effect of this particularly diluted solution is to immediately strengthen the chromosomal DNA segments called the Telomeres.

Pathak explains that the Telomeric portions act like the gate keepers or, body guards of the Chromosomal DNA, to which they are normally attached like end-caps. If these Telomeres are weakened by intrinsic or, other extraneous harmful causes, they can no longer protect the chromosomes. These weakened and broken chromosomes then abnormally join with each other, thus, forming new types abnormal cells which either die or, start to multiply. The later event gives rise to tumors and cancerous growths. These cancerous cells are usually treated with removal surgery and followed by Chemo and Radiation therapies by modern oncologists in a hospital environment.
Unlike Chemo and Radiation therapies which indiscriminately kill normal cells, bone marrow cells along with the cancer cells, the Ruta treatment acts quite differently. Once the Telomeres cells are strengthened by the Ruta the body’s own defense mechanism takes over and attacks not only the anomalous intracranial glioma growths but seems also to induce healthy cell divisions in the normal blood. This makes the patients recover their strength and feel healthier very quickly. While this technique showed various grades of positive in-vitro (In test tubes) results on many other types of human and mouse cancers, according to Pathak, the best results were seen on the human intracranial glioma.

Are you still counting molecules ??

Having ‘principles’ doesn’t automatically mean that homeopathy’s justifications are not vague. Voodoo has principles. Physiognomy has principles. Chiromancy has principles. Hell, faith healing has principles. And guess what? “You can read it, apply it and see results yourself”, or so some people claim. The unfortunate fact is that there is no respectable evidence that any of it actually works. Contrary to your claim homeopathy does not “very well predicts future outcome” unless that prediction begins with “if you take a sugar pill then…”

The National Center for Complimentary and Alternative Medicine prints a fairly damning couple of charts, especially Appendix II. There is another collection of reports here.

By the way, this “if you are honest” spiel is getting on my nerves real fast. Such rhetoric is some combination of 1) an appeal to emotion, 2) poisoning the well, 3) loading the question, and 4) a backhanded ad hominem. Take your pick.

As to proof, the burden of prof is on you. You claim some veracity to homeopathic nonsense. It is your job to provide the evidence. Lets have it.

My first reactions to that question was, “You’ve got to be kidding?” then “Is this a trick question?”

I thought, honestly, that I had given some reasons to disbelieve homeopathy. I guess pointing out the blatant conceptual stupidity of the practice just isn’t good enough for some people.

Yup.

It doesn’t work. You’re wrong about the first rule of science, too. A hypothesis is useless unless it not only describes past and current events, but can also predict future ones. Homeopathy’s vague justifications offer unsatisfactory explanations in all three. Also, anyone who tries to tie homeopathy’s alleged resonances with quantum physics not only doesn’t understand it, they don’t understand physics period. Let’s not even get started about biology, kay? Homeopathy doesn’t offer real explanations. Like religion, it continually retreats behind the curtain of ignorance that is the limit of our current knowledge.