20th December 2007 Stumble it!

Who exactly are the nice guys?

posted in Politics by themaiden |

A post at TruthinContext got me thinking about a pattern I’ve noticed and I’d like to beg that it stop. The following snippet is what did it. The quote is out of context, I admit, and the snippet I’m quoting isn’t really key to the post. It is peripheral. Nonetheless, this bit is what caught my attention. It caught my attention because it is such a common assertion. I’m seen it time and again.

“I have found myself in a couple of dialogs on atheist blogs. I have found the conversations enlightening, they tend toward ad hominem attacks and to fallacious reasoning, but what does one expect when they so violently deny the truth and the one who is Truth.”

The Truth IN Context: What’s The Difference?

I am one of those atheist bloggers and my experience with ad hominems seems to be quite different. In my experience the ‘faithful’ dive into a thread with a predicable pomp and exhibit generally bad behavior. After having this pointed out to them over the course of several exchanges, those that stick around then settle down and the conversation becomes much more productive.

I really hate this dynamic, thus this post. I’d very much like to skip that initial bluster and just get to the productive part. It annoys me to no end to have to spend three or four posts smacking someone around until they stop attacking my intelligence, my sincerity, my honesty, my integrity… Apparently, if I don’t swallow the mythology whole then there is something wrong with me and consequently it falls upon the Christian– it is the duty of the Christian– to be insulting. Hmmm… something is wrong there and yet that is the conclusion that my six-odd years of observation lead me to.

To be fair, it isn’t just the Christians. The defenders of any evidence-less and faith based ‘theories’ are prone to the same pattern. I’ve seen it with astrology. I’ve seen it with homeopathy. I’ve seen it with creationism of various stripes. In fact, this latter is the hands down stronghold for such nasty behavior. It has to be something about having to defend a position for which there is no evidence, or for which there is slim evidence to be very generous. Having to defend a position but having no evidence that is meaningful to a non-believer must be terribly stressful. In a way, I sympathize.

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  1. 1 On December 20th, 2007, Billy said:

    I would have to agree with you. I have been frequenting (and posting to) atheist websites for only the past two months or so (give or take). I have seen ad hominem attacks. I have seen comments which managed two or three fallacies within one paragraph. I have seen fallacious reasoning. Rarely on the part of the rationalists, though. I am glad, though, that you have been able to get past the initial ‘hit’ and achieve an actual logical argument.

  2. 2 On December 20th, 2007, Alan said:

    Hey,
    I will take (almost) any publicity I can get. Actually I found your blog just before you posted on mine, must be how you found me, and I was not speaking of you and yours in particular. I did not even realize this was an atheist blog, I only read the one post on relativism and loved it. I have been speaking out against it for years. You will not find much on my blog about it mainly because this is one thing that does not happen to plague Christians all that much. It is hard to deny absolute truth when we have a focal point for truth in a man! Anyway, I have enjoyed my dialog here and would like to shine a little light on the audience my blog is intended for. We are a sub-group within Christianity, called Reformed or Calvinistic Christians. My own personal belief is that many, no most who claim the name Christian are not truly Christian. This is not a matter of taste, I get it from the mouth of Jesus who said:

    “21  “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’”
    The Holy Bible : English Standard Version., Mt 7:21-23 (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001).

    So I meant no offense, I am sure there are many atheists who do not resort to these tactics just as I am sure there are many Christians who do, but I have little contact with either. My comments were about a couple of specific experiences I had with specific individuals over the last few days.

    I would be happy to converse whenever time permits and promise I rarely get emotional and never use ad hominem attacks.

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